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Peace breaks out?!?Monday October 11, 2010
Wow. The press release from Oracle and IBM is pretty vague, but it certainly gives the impression that peace has broken out between the two. The JCP logjam has been a huge problem for the last few years, despite many attempts on Sun's part to make progress. When Sun was trying to do this, the Oracle/IBM version of a solution effectively amounted to Sun taking a vow of poverty. Does this break the logjam? Only time will tell, but I'd sure be happy if it does. I'm sure that there's a great backstory that will never come out.
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How or will this affect your campaign on Oracle's 2007 commitment? Thanks for Java!

Posted by Carl D on October 11, 2010 at 07:49 PM PDT #

Well, sure. Now that Java isn't controlled by a company named "Sun", Java can finally join Eclipse. At last we can have a sane implementation of AWT, which would be one in Java + SWT and not C. http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/platform-swt-dev/msg01763.html

Posted by Jim White on October 11, 2010 at 09:33 PM PDT #

Java's been good to the world. The world should be good to it too.

Posted by sysprv on October 12, 2010 at 03:17 AM PDT #

I'd guess that Apache isn't thrilled by this. IBM and Oracle making a backroom deal doesn't necessarily mean the JCP is saved, only that OpenJDK has been found to be mutually strategic, and Apache's efforts are not. Perhaps I'm just a cynic...

Posted by Ron Ten-Hove on October 12, 2010 at 04:52 AM PDT #

James, why did sun do this to Apache and Harmony?!

Posted by Arash on October 12, 2010 at 09:58 AM PDT #

@Jim White: I don't think that SWT solve problems anymore. I' would never vote to have work done on AWT to ease life for SWT implementation. Even without mentioning SWT vs Swing, native controls are clearly something of the past.

Posted by Hervé Girod on October 12, 2010 at 03:31 PM PDT #

How did "Sun try to make progress?". Sun has been stonewalling Harmony since the day the project got created. If anything, the announcement is a sad realization by IBM that Sun/Oracle is never going to give them a license so they're just giving up on Harmony. Really lame of Sun to have refused the license to Harmony (or tied it to the Field of Use restriction, which was not an option). As for you, James, you have a strangely delusional memory of Sun, they have been making a lot of very questionable decisions about Java.

Posted by Steve on October 12, 2010 at 04:21 PM PDT #

I see Oracle and IBM did say some vague things about continuing the JCP. No mention of any reforms, not even a hint. The big question is: will Oracle be contributing updates to the Hotspot JVM to OpenJDK, or will they keep all of JRocket to themselves?

Posted by Ron Ten-Hove on October 12, 2010 at 06:43 PM PDT #

Maybe the story behind is to derail Android? Because looks like Snorcle suddenly shifted their focus from Harmony to OpenJDK, correct?

Posted by Bo on October 12, 2010 at 07:07 PM PDT #

What's the backstory behind Sun freezing out Apache Harmony in the first place?

Posted by Casper Bang on October 13, 2010 at 10:39 AM PDT #

@Steve: it was specifically announced during the JavaOne: HotSpot and JRockit will be merged and realeased under OpenJDK project. Some additional will remain proprietary to Oracle (real-time GC, JVM on a hypervisor, etc)

Posted by mark on October 13, 2010 at 03:11 PM PDT #

The great backstory I think is already in the open. Oracle: "IBM we have a full stack and we are comming for you" + we litigate the a** off Google/Android for not doing Java our way. IBM based its products on a platform controlled by its competitor Sun but has been doing business on Java for so long that it has almost forgotten why its Java relationship was so strained. Now IBM is alert again and scrambling to provide less of a target for Oracle: "Yes Oracle we will do as you please and not play with the unhole Harmony again".

Posted by Much on October 14, 2010 at 04:24 AM PDT #

Greetings, I agree with Jim White, and I think that java projects, should be attached to the eclipse-based and free java were retained for the entire community. This would prevent companies like Oracle and IBM are left with this precious jewel of computer

Posted by Edwin Contreras on October 16, 2010 at 11:21 AM PDT #

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